Tanks

[Soyuzturtle]

You know the best way to tell the difference between an M3 Grant and an M3 Lee?

Offer the crew a drink.

If they ask for a 6x cups tea, it's a Grant. If they ask for 7x coffees, it's a Lee.


That particular one is a Grant, a command version used by Monty.

If they ask for tea , they are spies because from what i know of , British tanks have a kettle standard on most moddles. I believe the story behind this is that British tankers kept getting sniped as they got out of their vehicle to get a cup of tea. I believe the tank in the photo probably had it installed because it was used in the D-day landings ( I think , it was in the D-day exhibit ) hence it was in service late in the war by which point the kettles had started to become standard.
Not sure how much of it is true but interesting nonetheless.

 

[Horus Lupercal]

It's called a boiling vessel (or BV). Nearly every combat vehicle in the British Army has them fitted, certainly every one I've been in. Although they're now called 'heating vessels' because they only take the water to 97.5 degrees centigrade 'for health and safety reasons' and thus don't actually boil water any more.
They're great cos you can not just make tea, but also cook boil in the bag rations and make hot water for washing and shaving anytime you like, even when the vehicle is moving.

Doesn't mean they won't accept a drink being made for them and saving their own brew kit though.

Also, I can 100% guarantee you that M3 did not see Normandy. For a start, it's painted sandy. Normandy may start as a beach, but the rest of the place is green. It's sandy because it served on the North Africa campaign under Monty.
Second, the Lee/Grant was obsolete almost as soon as it was produced in 1941, and by June 1944 everyone (outside of Burma) was using the far superior M4 Sherman.

 

[Chara-cter]

Nearly every combat vehicle in the British Army has them fitted

This is the most British thing I ever know
Danny Batten your thought on this?

 

[Chara-cter]

I think it is a M3 Grant since the shield on the tank made me think its a British tank

Found it
The shield on the tank

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Army_(United_Kingdom)

 

[Soyuzturtle]

Also, I can 100% guarantee you that M3 did not see Normandy.

Makes sense.

This is the most British thing I ever know
Danny Batten your thought on this?

Tom Scott did a video on this. ' British tanks are better than all other tanks, and here's why'.

It's called a boiling vessel

That's the one

 

[Soyuzturtle]

 

[Chara-cter]

 

[TtTOtW]

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Seriously?

 

[Mars Pathfinder]

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smile

 

[Pink]

Last thing you see is a pair of googly eyes with a long nose.

 

[Horus Lupercal]

When the snoot boops you.

From several kilometres.

 

[TtTOtW]

Last thing you see is a pair of googly eyes with a long nose.

When the snoot boops you.

From several kilometres.

Lol! Oof...

 

[Earl]

I have a (possibly) stupid question.
Why did the tiger have flat frontal arnor? Why wasn't it sloped?

 

[TtTOtW]

Oh... OK well I wouldn't know, but Etherian Space Program likely would...

 

[The Dark in the Light]

Earl TtTOtW To be honest, I'm not sure. But I'll do a bit of research and hopefully I'll come back with an answer before anyone else.

 

[Earl]

Earl TtTOtW To be honest, I'm not sure. But I'll do a bit of research and hopefully I'll come back with an answer before anyone else.

Alright, thanks! Seemed strange to me, so it's good to see I'm not alone lol

 

[The Dark in the Light]

Why didn't the Tiger tank use sloping armor? - Quora
This should answer your question. Another reason may be because sloped armour, while at certain angles increasing your overall armour, reduces gun size because the turret ring needs to fit between the sides, and a bigger gun needs a bigger turret. As for sloped front armour, 100mm was adequate enough to stop enemy shells from going through.
Another thing to read if you want a more indepth explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2av959

 

[Earl]

Why didn't the Tiger tank use sloping armor? - Quora
This should answer your question. Another reason may be because sloped armour, while at certain angles increasing your overall armour, reduces gun size because the turret ring needs to fit between the sides, and a bigger gun needs a bigger turret. As for sloped front armour, 100mm was adequate enough to stop enemy shells from going through.
Another thing to read if you want a more indepth explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2av959

Ah, thats very interesting! Thanks for the answer!

 

[The Dark in the Light]

Ah, thats very interesting! Thanks for the answer!

No problem! Here's the revised version as I finished just as you posted and my edit time ran out on the other post.

Reasons why German engineers decided against sloped armour on the Tiger I: It limits the gun size. The width of a tank is pretty much fixed because it can't be wider than the railway system. A bigger gun needs a bigger turret and by sloping armour inwards (like this: https://www.to-calculate.com/construction/images/slope.gif) ,you reduce the turret size as it needs to fit between the sides. Sloped armour, while increasing the amount of armour at certain angles, limits space inside the tank, and that also would greatly limit how much ammunition you could carry as the Tiger I stored ammo in the space above the tracks, the sponsons. And German tanks had a huge transmissions in the front as well as a hefty radio unit, so a sloped frontal plate would have greatly reduced the room available for those. Lastly, a sloped frontal plate would reduce move the center of gravity closer to the front and 100mm of steel was usually adequate enough to stop enemy shells.

Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2av959

 

[Earl]

No problem! Here's the revised version as I finished just as you posted and my edit time ran out on the other post.

Reasons why German engineers decided against sloped armour on the Tiger I: It limits the gun size. The width of a tank is pretty much fixed because it can't be wider than the railway system. A bigger gun needs a bigger turret and by sloping armour inwards (like this: https://www.to-calculate.com/construction/images/slope.gif) ,you reduce the turret size as it needs to fit between the sides. Sloped armour, while increasing the amount of armour at certain angles, limits space inside the tank, and that also would limit how much ammunition you could carry as the Tiger I stored ammo in the space above the tracks, the sponsons. And German tanks had a huge transmissions in the front as well as a hefty radio unit. Lastly, a sloped frontal plate would reduce move the center of gravity closer to the front and 100mm of steel was usually adequate enough to stop enemy shells.

Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2av959

Thanks!

 

[Horus Lupercal]

That and at the time the Tiger I was designed German tank thinking didn’t believe sloping helped, especially considering just how thick the frontal armour was compared to its contemporaries. If you look at german tanks before then (Pnzr I to IV) they all have very flat frontal plating.

It wasn't until the T-34 changed the game that the germans realised that sloping was the way ahead, and adopted it in future designs like the Panther, royal tiger and Maus

 

[Chara-cter]

Yeah, the German also tried to copy the T-34, they didn't like it due to poor reliability and ergonomic.

 

[Horus Lupercal]

Yeah, the German also tried to copy the T-34, they didn't like it due to poor reliability and ergonomic.

Yeah, a german engineer wouldn't be seen dead delivering a vehicle that had such bad craftsmanship that it leaked when it rained.

 

[AstronautAdam]

Hey guys I have quiz question:
What tank is biggest(including ww2 projects)? I know answer but I have question for me: Know anybody else about this thingy?

 

[Pink]

Yeah, a german engineer wouldn't be seen dead delivering a vehicle that had such bad craftsmanship that it leaked when it rained.

They needed to heed Voltaire:

Perfect is the enemy of good