80.71 ton Venus Return

Astro826

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(Pt 1/2)
After a lot of work and even more frustration (dealing with niche unknown interactions that virtually never matter but ruin this build when not properly managed is not fun), I finally have another low mass record to present. Here is the low mass Venus return, vanilla noclip without part breakage, ion engines, or old parts.

This is one of the most cursed builds yet, and it's equally difficult to use. The ascent portion consists of the drop tank (the long fuel tank on the right side), the first stage (the part on the bottom with 2 valiants), and the second stage(the part on the top with 1 valiant). The remaining parts are the orbiter (just above the first stage), the lander (middle left), and the lander's Venus transfer tank (the small tank below stage 2).
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To begin the ascent, the engines from stage 1, stage 2, and the orbiter all turn on. Fuel is transferred to all 3 of these sections by the drop tank. Juggling 3 different fuel transfers while performing a high thrust ascent is no walk in the park o_O.
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Once the drop tank runs dry, it is precariously staged off, using a fast clear debris to not destroy everything. The first stage then takes over transferring fuel to the other 2 running stages.
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Once the first stage runs out, the hard part of the ascent is over, as the fuel managing is done and the gravity turn becomes the only focus. The second stage transfers fuel to the orbiter engine without any extra input.
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The second stage takes the remaining rocket most of the way to orbit, but it is not quite enough. Luckily, the orbiter doesn't need a full tank to perform it's later function.
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After a tiny transfer of 1% fuel from the lander's Venus transfer tank to the orbiter, the lander and orbiter sections split apart.
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After waiting for a Venus transfer in the right place, the lander stage begins the trans-Venus burn. This maneuver is split in half because of the low TWR, and also to prevent the heat shield below the lander's engine from melting.
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Once the lander reaches the SOI of Venus, it performs a small correction with the last of the transfer tank's fuel.
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The empty tank is then staged off, and the Venus descent begins. The periapsis was finely tuned to allow the lander to reach a very important location.
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After a fiery descent, the lander pitches sideways to control it's drag to pinpoint the landing zone. Even the smallest miss means it will never return. Luckily, the lander descends straight over the small summit, the highest point on Venus. The parachute gently brings it to a touchdown, before being ditched with the heat shield for the next challenging step.
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(Pt 2/2)
Up next is the most difficult portion of a Venus return: the ascent. But thanks to a few tricks, this Venus lander is tiny. Taking off from the tallest mountain greatly reduces the amount of atmosphere it has to deal with.
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The lander flies straight up through the atmosphere, burning it's fuel to 28% before shutting the engine off and coasting upwards, waiting. Once the altitude is high enough, the lander uses it's second trick. The engine restarts and the lander splits in half. The probe and aero cone are no longer needed, they are quickly destroyed just after the separation so the rest of the lander doesn't hit them.
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Unobstructed, the engine pushes the remaining lander straight up, all the way past escape velocity. Due to the careful timing of the ascent, this pushes the apoapsis all the way up to Earth's orbit just as the fuel runs dry.
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Now, all that remains is for the achievement to be retrieved. Once Earth is in the correct position, the orbiter, which was left in LEO, fires into action. It escapes Earth, matching the orbit of the lander.
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The orbiter slowly closes in on the lander stage until a small transfer appears for rendezvous. In interplanetary space the maneuver system lacks the accuracy needed to dock, so the tiny maneuvers had to be carefully planned manually. Luckily, the orbiter had 4% more fuel than needed, making the docking sequence a breeze compared to the test run.
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Once docked, the orbiter has the achievements of the lander, which is discarded. Due to the low fuel remaining, the orbiter needs to wait many years before a possible transfer back to Earth appears.
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And finally, the mission is nearing the end. The orbiter reenters the atmosphere using it's heat shield, and completes the Venus return by parachute.
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No offence, but the rocket looks like a toddler mashed buttons on the build screen. Jk, this is really impressive.
 

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(Pt 2/2)
Up next is the most difficult portion of a Venus return: the ascent. But thanks to a few tricks, this Venus lander is tiny. Taking off from the tallest mountain greatly reduces the amount of atmosphere it has to deal with.
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The lander flies straight up through the atmosphere, burning it's fuel to 28% before shutting the engine off and coasting upwards, waiting. Once the altitude is high enough, the lander uses it's second trick. The engine restarts and the lander splits in half. The probe and aero cone are no longer needed, they are quickly destroyed just after the separation so the rest of the lander doesn't hit them.
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Unobstructed, the engine pushes the remaining lander straight up, all the way past escape velocity. Due to the careful timing of the ascent, this pushes the apoapsis all the way up to Earth's orbit just as the fuel runs dry.
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Now, all that remains is for the achievement to be retrieved. Once Earth is in the correct position, the orbiter, which was left in LEO, fires into action. It escapes Earth, matching the orbit of the lander.
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The orbiter slowly closes in on the lander stage until a small transfer appears for rendezvous. In interplanetary space the maneuver system lacks the accuracy needed to dock, so the tiny maneuvers had to be carefully planned manually. Luckily, the orbiter had 4% more fuel than needed, making the docking sequence a breeze compared to the test run.
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Once docked, the orbiter has the achievements of the lander, which is discarded. Due to the low fuel remaining, the orbiter needs to wait many years before a possible transfer back to Earth appears.
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And finally, the mission is nearing the end. The orbiter reenters the atmosphere using it's heat shield, and completes the Venus return by parachute.
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peak efficiency
 

Altaïr

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Wow, that's crazy... If you had been on the forum in 2018 you would have been the Space Stig o_O
Wouldn't have it be simpler to let your ascent module simply reach Venus orbit? Planning a rendez-vous with it would have been simpler... But maybe it would have reentered too.
 

Astro826

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Wow, that's crazy... If you had been on the forum in 2018 you would have been the Space Stig o_O
Wouldn't have it be simpler to let your ascent module simply reach Venus orbit? Planning a rendez-vous with it would have been simpler... But maybe it would have reentered too.
Simpler? Absolutely. It's using a no control approach to ascend without a probe, making it lighter than any other Venus orbiter. With no control orbit is not a viable option. The only alternative is to escape Venus entirely, which is even better than orbit because it's easier(fuel/mass wise, not gameplay wise) to retrieve.
 

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Simpler? Absolutely. It's using a no control approach to ascend without a probe, making it lighter than any other Venus orbiter. With no control orbit is not a viable option. The only alternative is to escape Venus entirely, which is even better than orbit because it's easier(fuel/mass wise, not gameplay wise) to retrieve.
I did design an optimal Venus lander that used a more normal configuration, reaching orbit where it docks with a fuel tank and heat shield left in LVO for the Earth return. Here's the comparison of the two payloads I need to take to LEO:
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The difference is small, (smaller than I expected before doing a direct comparison), but the probeless approach wins out.
 

Astro826

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I don't think it matters now but have you considered this 0.21t save?
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Ah, I forgot that the larger ports had that connection. But yes, I have realized that I could've made a better orbiter. It's not as much of a mass saving as it looks since about .15 tons of fuel are needed to land without a parachute, but I realized I could use a fairing half to hold the docking port, which is probably the lightest way at .06 tons. That would be ~.19 tons saved when accounting for landing fuel.
I'm not redoing just for that though :p
 

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I'm so late to this but this is amazing! Would a moon assist help during the Venus transfer?