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What I learned of East Asia in school could fit in a thimble, “the evil Japanese invaded Hawaii for no reason, but we cleansed them with nuclear bombs and made them good” is really about it, seriously, US public history education is really that bad...somehow civics is even worse
What I learned of East Asia in school could fit in a thimble, “the evil Japanese invaded Hawaii for no reason, but we cleansed them with nuclear bombs and made them good” is really about it, seriously, US public history education is really that bad...somehow civics is even worse
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Also the US funded a non-lethal weapon program. One of the things they suggested was a "gay bomb". It released hormones which, according to the US government would make soldiers become very attractive to eachother causing unrest among ranks and make it hard to operate. They say it would be "distasteful but completely non-lethal". You can't make this shit up.
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The “1 million” quote is from the US military who didn’t bother to count the enemy dead during the war and is probably only coincidentally near the actual Vietcong body count, they certainly didn’t count civilians as white Americans generally regarded Asians as vermin at the time...
Not that a million is much more forgivable than 2-4 million
The war was initiated when Imperial France lost its colonial budget in the wake of WWII;
Having not faired so well in its Korean colonial ambitions the US seized the opportunity to extend its imperial hegemony over this great prize in yet another insidious bout of racist bloodshed
The US petitioned all over Vietnam trying to gain a foothold to launch it’s invasion, for obvious reasons it was soundly rejected by all but sadly the Hmong who must suffer from naivety and regret disease
Suffering great frustration at its own incompetence by fate of the fool’s errand, failure mounted for the US until it spilled over into Cambodia in the form the broad, blind and predictable as clockwork carpet bombing of millions of hapless farmers, but none of the “targeted” Vietcong who were well informed of the scheduled bombings;
From this rose the Khmer Rouge which continued the genocide in its own right, and when the foreign devils were finally driven out you can not imagine how the Hmong suffered for opening the gates to all this
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Woooo! We finally agree on something.
However, you've not really done your research here again.
Beyond the copy and paste from the Britannica Encyclopedia, I've actually found the source of these numbers. More on that in a moment.
But first. Thanks for agreeing with me that the number of civilians killed during the US involvement in Vietnam as 2 million, not 3 or 4.
This is where it gets fun though.
Although the sentiment may be true, your conclusions are wrong. As the 1 million quote (and all these numbers) come from the Socialist Republic of Vietnam Embassy based in Pyongyang in an article dated April 24th 2019.
Who I'm pretty sure would be not only on the less 'Asians are vermin, don't bother counting corpses' side of the fence, but also could be forgiven for bumping the numbers up slightly.
Again, well over a quarter of a million (and probably closer to over 300,000) of that number were actually murdered by or for the N. Vietnamese regime cos reasons.
And that 2 million also includes 58-280,000 people killed by the S. Vietnamese forces, cos reasons.
Estimates abound for the casualties of US airpower. This article (written by representatives of the Vietnamese government, remember) places that number between 30 and 60 thousand civilians.
Millions? Knock a zero off that and then you'll be closer to the highest estimates of total civilian and combatant casualties in Cambodia at between 30,000 and 150,000.
You're right about the carpet bombing part though. I've watched a documentary that claimed Cambodia is the most bombed country on the planet and I can fully believe it.
Also, I wouldn't publicise the refugee numbers dude. If you look at the dates, that starts from when the Americans left Vietnam. 2 million people fled the country because the new regime was going to treat them really well murder them because that was communism does to dissenting opinions.
However, you've not really done your research here again.
Beyond the copy and paste from the Britannica Encyclopedia, I've actually found the source of these numbers. More on that in a moment.
But first. Thanks for agreeing with me that the number of civilians killed during the US involvement in Vietnam as 2 million, not 3 or 4.
This is where it gets fun though.
Although the sentiment may be true, your conclusions are wrong. As the 1 million quote (and all these numbers) come from the Socialist Republic of Vietnam Embassy based in Pyongyang in an article dated April 24th 2019.
Who I'm pretty sure would be not only on the less 'Asians are vermin, don't bother counting corpses' side of the fence, but also could be forgiven for bumping the numbers up slightly.
Again, well over a quarter of a million (and probably closer to over 300,000) of that number were actually murdered by or for the N. Vietnamese regime cos reasons.
And that 2 million also includes 58-280,000 people killed by the S. Vietnamese forces, cos reasons.
Estimates abound for the casualties of US airpower. This article (written by representatives of the Vietnamese government, remember) places that number between 30 and 60 thousand civilians.
Millions? Knock a zero off that and then you'll be closer to the highest estimates of total civilian and combatant casualties in Cambodia at between 30,000 and 150,000.
You're right about the carpet bombing part though. I've watched a documentary that claimed Cambodia is the most bombed country on the planet and I can fully believe it.
Also, I wouldn't publicise the refugee numbers dude. If you look at the dates, that starts from when the Americans left Vietnam. 2 million people fled the country because the new regime was going to treat them really well murder them because that was communism does to dissenting opinions.
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Its time for ww2
Germany is attacking it's neighbours
Then the neighbors neighbors were like holy shirt
They pushed Russia to Moscow then Russia pushed Germany to Berlin
Japan and America were at war they had a big bomb Niger than any other bomb ever so they dropped it on Japan they actually dropped 2
Germany is attacking it's neighbours
Then the neighbors neighbors were like holy shirt
They pushed Russia to Moscow then Russia pushed Germany to Berlin
Japan and America were at war they had a big bomb Niger than any other bomb ever so they dropped it on Japan they actually dropped 2
I’m not concerned who did the killing or who did the dying but how many died in a pointless war and the aftermath;
I was very wrong on the bombing of Cambodia though, wiki gives your 30-150k figure and PBS frontline gives 150-500k but God only knows what happened there;
I was working from memory and confused the 1.5-2M killed by the Khmer Rouge socialist revolt
Again I count the US responsible for all of this as none of it would have happened otherwise; Sure, can’t prove a negative but that’s the price we pay for the hostile takeover of other people’s business...mounting correlations raise red flags
We lost that war and as a self appointed administrator of that situation are directly responsible for the backlash, the US is similarly responsible for the state of North Korea earlier by an equally dubious “not an invasion” and the rise of the Islamic revolution in Iran when the bizarre installation of the Shah for the sake of British Petroleum ultimately failed; “al’quada,” “isis,” all the South America guerrilla factions with their death squad counterparts and the whole damn drug war from Ecuador to the streets of NYC...these are all the product of short sighted hegemonic dreamers, the self created death of every empire
After these last few decades we’re looking like a great hollowed out oak and this Covid nonsense mixed with the Russo/Iranian war on Saudi/American oil might just break us; everyone I know in oil is unemployed and a whole lot of pipeline is cancelled, not postponed, them autocrats can eat it but our screw America we serve shareholders oil futures dipped to -(negative)$40US/barrel today ahead of the shipping schedule...if only I had a warehouse
I was very wrong on the bombing of Cambodia though, wiki gives your 30-150k figure and PBS frontline gives 150-500k but God only knows what happened there;
I was working from memory and confused the 1.5-2M killed by the Khmer Rouge socialist revolt
Again I count the US responsible for all of this as none of it would have happened otherwise; Sure, can’t prove a negative but that’s the price we pay for the hostile takeover of other people’s business...mounting correlations raise red flags
We lost that war and as a self appointed administrator of that situation are directly responsible for the backlash, the US is similarly responsible for the state of North Korea earlier by an equally dubious “not an invasion” and the rise of the Islamic revolution in Iran when the bizarre installation of the Shah for the sake of British Petroleum ultimately failed; “al’quada,” “isis,” all the South America guerrilla factions with their death squad counterparts and the whole damn drug war from Ecuador to the streets of NYC...these are all the product of short sighted hegemonic dreamers, the self created death of every empire
After these last few decades we’re looking like a great hollowed out oak and this Covid nonsense mixed with the Russo/Iranian war on Saudi/American oil might just break us; everyone I know in oil is unemployed and a whole lot of pipeline is cancelled, not postponed, them autocrats can eat it but our screw America we serve shareholders oil futures dipped to -(negative)$40US/barrel today ahead of the shipping schedule...if only I had a warehouse
