Team Frontier Instructions!

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Attempt only after you’ve completed Team Titan

Overview:
Team Frontier is the second set of challenges. It proves the player has some competent skills in SFS, and is at least capable to dock, plan basic interplanetary missions and build an efficient rocket. All THREE missions must be completed to get the rank.

What it unlocks?

[Will be filled soon!]
And of course, after that you are free to try Team Hawk missions.

Missions (they can be completed in any order, but all three of them must be completed):
  1. Land on Mars and get back to Earth: Just like the Moon mission before
  2. Build a space station around Earth: must be at least four separated launches, all rendezvous in LEO and docked together. You must document all 4 missions so the challenge counts as valid.
  3. Launch the supplied probe and reach solar escape velocity. No gravity assists, nor Ion engines. Starting position is the launchpad. The launch vehicle is limited to a total mass of 265 tons.
General Rules:
  • Cheats are forbidden.
  • Nothing (except obviously dumped stages) must be destroyed.
  • Bp editing part clipping is fine. Engine stretching and no engine heat are forbidden.
  • Default Solar System must be used, although purely cosmetical planet packs will be accepted too.
    • As an exception, IRIS by Altaïr will be allowed on the Mars and space station missions only. Other RSS-like packs may be evaluated in the future.
For the specific case of Voyager Quest challenge these constraints also apply:
  • Use only the supplied probe, or your recreation of it, no custom payload.
  • The mass of the launch vehicle for the entire mission is 265 tons. Meaning that the vehicle you spawn on the launchpad cannot be heavier than 265 tons (payload included).
  • Gravity assists are not allowed, just direct burns.
  • Ion engines are absolutely forbidden. Just chemical engines.

Mission Rewards:

Each mission grants its own badge:
Once you have all three of them, you get the official Team Frontier badge, which proves you’ve completed all three Frontier challenges: View attachment 61126

How do I prove that I did the missions?

Any format is fine (screenshots, videos, other), but whatever you submit must show at least these key points:

Mars mission:
  • Launchpad
  • Earth orbit
  • Mars orbit
  • Mars surface
  • Back to Earth
  • Achievements
Space Station (for all four flights):
  • Launchpad
  • Earth orbit
  • Rendezvous with the station
Voyager Quest:
  • Building grid (so we can see the total mass)
  • Launchpad
  • Earth orbit
  • Map view when crossing the orbit of Mars. (This one is absolutely essential). Target speed is at calculated for the following orbit heights by Altaïr :
    • 11.360.000 km: 7250 m/s, the historical Mars level, useful for those playing with older versions.
    • 15.000.000 km: 6311 m/s, slightly above Mars level.
    • 40.000.000 km: 3868 m/s , slightly past Jupiter's level.
    • 100.000.000 km: 2447 m/s: last chance if you missed all the previous marks.
      • In all cases, don't worry about being EXACTLY being at the mark. And if you're well past the mark but still over the threshold speed, it's ok.

A more detailed guide about Team Frontier in general and its missions can be found here:
Team Frontier Instructions!
For any questions feel free to ask them here: New Ranks! or here: Team Frontier Instructions! or in the thread below.

Picture and Download of the probe for the Voyager Quest challenge:
View attachment 68526
question: Can we use bp edit?
Attempt only after you’ve completed Team Titan

Overview:
Team Frontier is the second set of challenges. It proves the player has some competent skills in SFS, and is at least capable to dock, plan basic interplanetary missions and build an efficient rocket. All THREE missions must be completed to get the rank.

What it unlocks?

[Will be filled soon!]
And of course, after that you are free to try Team Hawk missions.

Missions (they can be completed in any order, but all three of them must be completed):
  1. Land on Mars and get back to Earth: Just like the Moon mission before
  2. Build a space station around Earth: must be at least four separated launches, all rendezvous in LEO and docked together. You must document all 4 missions so the challenge counts as valid.
  3. Launch the supplied probe and reach solar escape velocity. No gravity assists, nor Ion engines. Starting position is the launchpad. The launch vehicle is limited to a total mass of 265 tons.
General Rules:
  • Cheats are forbidden.
  • Nothing (except obviously dumped stages) must be destroyed.
  • Bp editing part clipping is fine. Engine stretching and no engine heat are forbidden.
  • Default Solar System must be used, although purely cosmetical planet packs will be accepted too.
    • As an exception, IRIS by Altaïr will be allowed on the Mars and space station missions only. Other RSS-like packs may be evaluated in the future.
For the specific case of Voyager Quest challenge these constraints also apply:
  • Use only the supplied probe, or your recreation of it, no custom payload.
  • The mass of the launch vehicle for the entire mission is 265 tons. Meaning that the vehicle you spawn on the launchpad cannot be heavier than 265 tons (payload included).
  • Gravity assists are not allowed, just direct burns.
  • Ion engines are absolutely forbidden. Just chemical engines.

Mission Rewards:

Each mission grants its own badge:
Once you have all three of them, you get the official Team Frontier badge, which proves you’ve completed all three Frontier challenges: View attachment 61126

How do I prove that I did the missions?

Any format is fine (screenshots, videos, other), but whatever you submit must show at least these key points:

Mars mission:
  • Launchpad
  • Earth orbit
  • Mars orbit
  • Mars surface
  • Back to Earth
  • Achievements
Space Station (for all four flights):
  • Launchpad
  • Earth orbit
  • Rendezvous with the station
Voyager Quest:
  • Building grid (so we can see the total mass)
  • Launchpad
  • Earth orbit
  • Map view when crossing the orbit of Mars. (This one is absolutely essential). Target speed is at calculated for the following orbit heights by Altaïr :
    • 11.360.000 km: 7250 m/s, the historical Mars level, useful for those playing with older versions.
    • 15.000.000 km: 6311 m/s, slightly above Mars level.
    • 40.000.000 km: 3868 m/s , slightly past Jupiter's level.
    • 100.000.000 km: 2447 m/s: last chance if you missed all the previous marks.
      • In all cases, don't worry about being EXACTLY being at the mark. And if you're well past the mark but still over the threshold speed, it's ok.

A more detailed guide about Team Frontier in general and its missions can be found here:
Team Frontier Instructions!
For any questions feel free to ask them here: New Ranks! or here: Team Frontier Instructions! or in the thread below.

Picture and Download of the probe for the Voyager Quest challenge:
View attachment 68526
can we bp edit?
 

Mooncrasher

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Hopefully this part of the post you quoted clarifies.
Blazer Ayanami said:
General Rules:
  • Cheats are forbidden.
  • Nothing (except obviously dumped stages) must be destroyed.
  • Bp editing part clipping is fine. Engine stretching and no engine heat are forbidden.
  • Default Solar System must be used, although purely cosmetical planet packs will be accepted too.
    • As an exception, IRIS by Altaïr will be allowed on the Mars and space station missions only. Other RSS-like packs may be evaluated in the future.
For the specific case of Voyager Quest challenge these constraints also apply:
  • Use only the supplied probe, or your recreation of it, no custom payload.
  • The mass of the launch vehicle for the entire mission is 265 tons. Meaning that the vehicle you spawn on the launchpad cannot be heavier than 265 tons (payload included).
  • Gravity assists are not allowed, just direct burns.
  • Ion engines are absolutely forbidden. Just chemical engines.
Don't do anything to the engines, and you should not need part stretching/shrinking. You are free to clip.
 

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Hopefully this part of the post you quoted clarifies.

Don't do anything to the engines, and you should not need part stretching/shrinking. You are free to clip.
I understand I cannot change the size of the engine, but can I edit the engine for clipping It with another and they doesn't heat each other? don't would be ussing cheats, I only would modifie on this aspect on the bp file
 

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I tried to recrate the voyager quest but I have a problem: on top of the capsules, there is a 1×4 fuel tank but I don't know how to get it
 

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It's not a fuel tank, it's a generated spacer that the game had when capsules had a 1 thick heatshield permanently attached.
You can ignore it now, in fact the blueprint should have the exact craft required.
I should update the image and add a sharing link....

Edit: updated, check it again!
 
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It's not a fuel tank, it's a generated spacer that the game had when capsules had a 1 thick heatshield permanently attached.
You can ignore it now, in fact the blueprint should have the exact craft required.
I should update the image and add a sharing link....

Edit: updated, check it again!
Thank you. I tried the challenge and I was very close. ( 100m/s). I don't understand why people find it very hard. My rocket isn't optimised and I don't have DLC engines.
 

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DLC engines aren't really "better", they're bigger. :) The extra mass more or less balances the extra thrust, and the isp isn't very different.
 

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Thank you. I tried the challenge and I was very close. ( 100m/s). I don't understand why people find it very hard. My rocket isn't optimised and I don't have DLC engines.
That's mostly because the mass limit was at 250 tons before. Very few people succeeded with that limit, and that's why we raised the limit to make it more accessible. Now it's not that hard, people who try it seriously generally succeed after a few tries, some even managed to do it on the first shot.

Your launcher is a good basis, it shouldn't be too hard from there.
 

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:DHi, I'm starting to build the space station. I made the propulsion module, a drone to move and organise modules and a docking bay. Is ita good start? Screenshot_20220720-213006_Spaceflight Simulator.jpg
 

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Sounds good. :)
At a minimum you need propulsion module, habitat, escape craft, and power module if your station is well designed so that these modules provide a useful docking area by themselves. But a dedicated docking area is often far nicer. And a drone is very nice for putting the modules in place.
 

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Sounds good. :)
At a minimum you need propulsion module, habitat, escape craft, and power module if your station is well designed so that these modules provide a useful docking area by themselves. But a dedicated docking area is often far nicer. And a drone is very nice for putting the modules in place.
Thanks, I'm gonna finish the construction and add the required modules.
It's the 3rd station I build so I will re-use some of the module
 

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Remember that everything for this has to be launched from scratch and documented.
 

Mooncrasher

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Can I use an aerobrake to land on Mars directly instead of going to Mars orbit first, then landing?
In general for any solar system body we emphasise orbiting first, to start your entry and landing from a more favorable lower speed that doesn't require large amounts of slowing down in a short time from heavy high TWR engines, so you learn how to do more with less.

But planets with atmospheres are different, and if you post enough substitute screenshots of your direct aerobrake process, it would be fine.