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Horus Lupercal , this the place where your next waffling post will take place 
Here's the story:
I've seen in several media, like documentaries and that stuff, US Navy Veterans of the Cold War being interviewed about their machines. Well, many of them say they were, in multiple times, just below massive Soviet surface fleets, just doing "scientific research", and that the Soviets never knew they were there. In fact, one of them said: "Not a single American submarine was ever caught following a Soviet fleet".
And here's the conflict. A Soviet (well, Russian since 1991) veteran says his submarine once was, guess what? just below a massive American fleet, that was trying to shoot a missile, and they event sent a ping with the active sonar, so the Americans know they were there, to make them desist from launching the missile. They desisted.
Well, both sides claim there submarines were undetectable, and they were never caught during espionage maneuvers.
So I wanted to hear your opinion. What do you think about this?
Is this propaganda, or is it true? Is this exagerated? Which side do you think is right? Maybe both?
Here's the story:
I've seen in several media, like documentaries and that stuff, US Navy Veterans of the Cold War being interviewed about their machines. Well, many of them say they were, in multiple times, just below massive Soviet surface fleets, just doing "scientific research", and that the Soviets never knew they were there. In fact, one of them said: "Not a single American submarine was ever caught following a Soviet fleet".
And here's the conflict. A Soviet (well, Russian since 1991) veteran says his submarine once was, guess what? just below a massive American fleet, that was trying to shoot a missile, and they event sent a ping with the active sonar, so the Americans know they were there, to make them desist from launching the missile. They desisted.
Well, both sides claim there submarines were undetectable, and they were never caught during espionage maneuvers.
So I wanted to hear your opinion. What do you think about this?
Is this propaganda, or is it true? Is this exagerated? Which side do you think is right? Maybe both?
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Ha, it might be if i knew anything about naval warfare...
They could be both telling the truth, to an extent. Shadowing fleets is kinda what attack subs do and I've no doubt that a surface force will have by accident or design 'driven over the top' of a praying running very silently sub.
However, the second claim of a soviet sub driver giving his position away to avert WWIII seems a little bit too much of a stretch.
And the crew being like 'why don't we just fire captain?'.
Although imagine if it is true, and being the sonar operator on one of the US ships as this loud as fuck sonar ping bangs out from nowhere.
This story is likely a mash up of an actual real event that nearly started WWIII during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
They could be both telling the truth, to an extent. Shadowing fleets is kinda what attack subs do and I've no doubt that a surface force will have by accident or design 'driven over the top' of a praying running very silently sub.
However, the second claim of a soviet sub driver giving his position away to avert WWIII seems a little bit too much of a stretch.
- How do you 'try' and launch a missile. The US Navy surface fleet don't try, they either launch one, or don't launch one.
- How did the sub driver know that the ship was launching/about to launch a missile? The first real signs a ship is going to fire a tomahawk is when the missile leaves the launcher, it's not like it broadcasts it on twitter or makes a noise like a tube flooding. That and the majority of the US' first strike capability (same with the UK) is through SSBN type subs and even though there is a small amount of nuclear tipped tomahawks about, WWIII would be heralded by a massive sub launched ballistic missile strike, not a few slow moving cruise missiles.
- If the sub driver thinks that there is a nuclear missile launch happening, then they are at war. Pinging the ships is only going to give his position away, not stop the launch. The next thing that will happen is the explosive compression of the sub after the destroyers find and well, destroy it.
And the crew being like 'why don't we just fire captain?'.
Although imagine if it is true, and being the sonar operator on one of the US ships as this loud as fuck sonar ping bangs out from nowhere.
This story is likely a mash up of an actual real event that nearly started WWIII during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
