The greatest chain reaction of all time

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Here is what I believe is the greatest chain of events in history. Let me hear it if you've got a better one.

It all started in 1914 when Franz Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn , got stuck in traffic right beside someone who wanted to assassinate him. RIP. The Serbians may of had something to do with this so Austria Hungary sent a list of impossible demands to Serbia , which they refused and Austria Hungary declared war. Ww1 happens , some Austrian guy with a funny mustache is super patriotic for Germany and fights for them in the war. Germany is humiliated and funny mustache man is angry. Megalomaniac stuff happens and now Hitler rules Germany. Ww2 happens. The USSR and the allies split up Germany's captured land with the Soviets getting Eastern Europe and the allies powers getting the west. The allies want eastern Europe to at the very least have free and fair elections but the Soviets make it communist. Tensions rise and the USSR makes their own atomic bomb. The cold war happens. In a time where whoever was superior in the space race would've thought the losing side was inferior and could've Led to a chance of invasion or nuclear strike and so both sides fought viciously for superiority. As the soviets had become the first to do most things , JFK decided America was to land humans on the moon , they did. The lunar landings led to many advancements is all sorts of science and technology such as medicinal , geology , astronomy etc. The advancements in medicine have saved countless lives over the decades and we have learnt how the entire solar system formed.

Because Franz Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn , millions of lives were saved and the secrets of the universe have been unveiled.
 
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Here is what I believe is the greatest chain of events in history. Let me hear it if you've got a better one.

It all started in 1914 when Franz Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn , got stuck in traffic right beside someone who wanted to assassinate him. RIP. The Serbians may of had something to do with this so Austria Hungary sent a list of impossible demands to Serbia , which they refused and Austria Hungary declared war. Ww1 happens , some Austrian guy with a funny mustache is super patriotic for Germany and fights for them in the war. Germany is humiliated and funny mustache man is angry. Megalomaniac stuff happens and now Hitler rules Germany. Ww2 happens. The USSR and the allies split up Germany's captured land with the Soviets getting Eastern Europe and the allies powers getting the west. The allies want eastern Europe to at the very least have free and fair elections but the Soviets make it communist. Tensions rise and the USSR makes their own atomic bomb. The cold war happens. In a time where whoever was superior in the space race would've thought the losing side was inferior and could've Led to a chance of invasion or nuclear strike and so both sides fought viciously for superiority. As the soviets had become the first to do most things , JFK decided America was to land humans on the moon , they did. The lunar landings led to many advancements is all sorts of science and technology such as medicinal , geology , astronomy etc. The advancements in medicine have saved countless lives over the decades and we have learnt how the entire solar system formed.

Because Franz Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn , millions of lives were saved and the secrets of the universe have been unveiled.
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I'm not sure, is the chain reaction supposed to be a slight change to a major world event and following it to a logical conclusion, or making a slight change and the same sequence of events happen anyway?
 

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I'm not sure, is the chain reaction supposed to be a slight change to a major world event and following it to a logical conclusion, or making a slight change and the same sequence of events happen anyway?
I mean that one action lead to a result which wouldn't be expected of such action.
 

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Then the question is, what would have happened if Franz Ferdinand hadn't been murdered... The problem is that the relations between several european countries were not especially good then, and that event was kinda like the spark that started the fire. If it hadn't happened... Well, maybe another spark would have started the fire, and the chain of events that followed would not have been very different :rolleyes:
 

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Then the question is, what would have happened if Franz Ferdinand hadn't been murdered... The problem is that the relations between several european countries were not especially good then, and that event was kinda like the spark that started the fire. If it hadn't happened... Well, maybe another spark would have started the fire, and the chain of events that followed would not have been very different :rolleyes:
Well, apparently the murder of Franz Ferdinand was just the pretext, not the reason, so if he hadn't been murdered, ww1 would probably still happen, what would change would be a few words in our history books.
 

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then lets try to removed the angry mustache guy prior to his rise to power like in trench war (maybe he got shelled or got sniped or die while he sendin the message to his comrades in their trenches)


or he got died like in love death and robots :D :D :p :3
 

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then lets try to removed the angry mustache guy prior to his rise to power like in trench war (maybe he got shelled or got sniped or die while he sendin the message to his comrades in their trenches)


or he got died like in love death and robots :D:D:p :3
Now that would have made quite a change.

But even without the angry mustache guy (I love that name :D), there was a will to get revenge in Germany, because of the Versailles treaty that was considered unfair, and the economical crisis that made life even more difficult for german people. There was the context behind this. Out of this context and without other people supporting him, Hitler alone couldn't have done anything. However, it's true that he was a great orator, and it's not anybody that could have done what he did, so it could have been quite different indeed.

By the way, even without him, there was another angry mustache guy in Russia at that moment (seriously, I'll really believe a guy with a mustache should never be trusted o_O), and a big mess could still have happened.
 

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Now that would have made quite a change.

But even without the angry mustache guy (I love that name :D), there was a will to get revenge in Germany, because of the Versailles treaty that was considered unfair, and the economical crisis that made life even more difficult for german people. There was the context behind this. Out of this context and without other people supporting him, Hitler alone couldn't have done anything. However, it's true that he was a great orator, and it's not anybody that could have done what he did, so it could have been quite different indeed.

By the way, even without him, there was another angry mustache guy in Russia at that moment (seriously, I'll really believe a guy with a mustache should never be trusted o_O), and a big mess could still have happened.
yeah yeah i remembered that the aryans rallyin in versailles (its real unfair for me) plus even someone (not that mustache guy) do like it its will go the same thou differ right???
 

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And to be fair, I'd say the conclusion that the war brought the space race, which brought these huge advances in medicine which saved millions of lives is kinda missing out a few things along the way.

Such as the fact that assassinating the Arch-Duke kicked off the bloodiest century of combat the Earth has ever seen (not just WWI) and created the conditions for the rise of several of the most murderous regimes in human history.
Even if you could make a case that the space race brought about sterilisation, vaccination, surgery techniques and the likes(discounting entirely work that had been going on waaay before JFK had an idea for sending a man to the moon), and never would have been created had there not been these enormous conflicts, I'd not thank the event that directly lead to the deaths of 130 million people for it.


Then the question is, what would have happened if Franz Ferdinand hadn't been murdered... The problem is that the relations between several european countries were not especially good then, and that event was kinda like the spark that started the fire. If it hadn't happened... Well, maybe another spark would have started the fire, and the chain of events that followed would not have been very different :rolleyes:
Well, apparently the murder of Franz Ferdinand was just the pretext, not the reason, so if he hadn't been murdered, ww1 would probably still happen, what would change would be a few words in our history books.
Granted, Europe was a bit of tinderbox at the time, but the assassination was the perfect storm for creating the first true global conflict. The only reason the big players were brought in was because of mutual protection pacts and treaties with the minor players. Sort of like little kids fighting and suddenly their older friends jump in and that becomes the main fight the teachers have to break up.
It just so happened that the countries involved had powerful friends.
But if other kids had been fighting (ones without older friends), then it would've stayed a smaller fight. If someone other than the Arch-Duke had been shot, or those particular nations didn't have treaties with the likes of Germany and the UK, then it would've stayed a smaller conflict.
There still would've been a war, but between 2 minor states rather than everyone other than the Swiss jumping in.


then lets try to remove the angry mustache guy prior to his rise to power like in trench war (maybe he got shelled or got sniped or die while he sendin the message to his comrades in their trenches)


or he got killed like in love death and robots :D:D:p :3
This scenario is the entire plot for Red Alert. Removing one 'angry mustache guy' is only going to delay the war, not avoid it.
Firstly, WWI did its best to kill Hitler. He had possibly the most dangerous job in the bloodiest conflict in history, and was wounded several times (he ended the war in hospital), so it wasn't like nobody had tried to kill this random corporal in the german army.
That aside, the Great Depression has the largest influential factor of a second global conflict, not Hitler. Prior to the economic crash of 1929, no one was interested in extreme politicians, right or left. Once that crash happened, then you have people listening to fundamental, utopian ideologies, looking for answers, scapegoats etc. These weren't just provided by the NSDAP, but also the German Communist Parties, who were the other large political force in the country at the time.
Removing Hitler from the game between 1914 and 1929 hands Germany over to Communism Stalin. And for all the memes, Stalin is just as much of a bastard as Hitler is. And Poland is still between Germany and the rest of the USSR.
The USSR invades Poland to create a united Bloc that stretches from Scandinavia, down the French border to the Alps, cuts off the Baltic states from the rest of Europe, across the Urals to the middle east. History follows, China, Korea, Vietnam becomes communist and the red border drops down and isolates India and Singapore, at the time British Empire assets but targeted also by the Japanese.
The UK still has to declare war onto the USSR in the same way it did the 3rd Reich and France still joins them for the same reasons (remember, western Europe are no friends of the Russians. They just had a common enemy in the Fascists).
Japan didn't launch the Pearl Harbour attack because of how things were going in Europe. They'd been doing land grabs for years prior, was already at war with China and the UK before 1941 and had been shooting up US Warships for a while already. Hitler declared war on the US as he sought an alliance with Japan, not the other way around.
And now you still have WWII, just maybe in the early 40 to mid 40s once the Red Army wasn't still reeling from Stalins purges. And now the Allies having got an enemy between 2 fronts, they've got 2 enemies on one side of the board. What are the British and French going to do against 20,000 brand new T-34s (the best tank in the world at the time) supported by several million infantry, whilst trying to hold onto assets in the Far East against the Japanese? Cry to the US? They've got their own problems in the shape of Mitusubishi Zeros and katana wielding zealots rampaging across their own holdings to be bothered about the Russians as well.

So if you want to avoid the second world war, several 'angry mustache guys' need to die first.
 

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And to be fair, I'd say the conclusion that the war brought the space race, which brought these huge advances in medicine which saved millions of lives is kinda missing out a few things along the way.

Such as the fact that assassinating the Arch-Duke kicked off the bloodiest century of combat the Earth has ever seen (not just WWI) and created the conditions for the rise of several of the most murderous regimes in human history.
Even if you could make a case that the space race brought about sterilisation, vaccination, surgery techniques and the likes(discounting entirely work that had been going on waaay before JFK had an idea for sending a man to the moon), and never would have been created had there not been these enormous conflicts, I'd not thank the event that directly lead to the deaths of 130 million people for it.





Granted, Europe was a bit of tinderbox at the time, but the assassination was the perfect storm for creating the first true global conflict. The only reason the big players were brought in was because of mutual protection pacts and treaties with the minor players. Sort of like little kids fighting and suddenly their older friends jump in and that becomes the main fight the teachers have to break up.
It just so happened that the countries involved had powerful friends.
But if other kids had been fighting (ones without older friends), then it would've stayed a smaller fight. If someone other than the Arch-Duke had been shot, or those particular nations didn't have treaties with the likes of Germany and the UK, then it would've stayed a smaller conflict.
There still would've been a war, but between 2 minor states rather than everyone other than the Swiss jumping in.




This scenario is the entire plot for Red Alert. Removing one 'angry mustache guy' is only going to delay the war, not avoid it.
Firstly, WWI did its best to kill Hitler. He had possibly the most dangerous job in the bloodiest conflict in history, and was wounded several times (he ended the war in hospital), so it wasn't like nobody had tried to kill this random corporal in the german army.
That aside, the Great Depression has the largest influential factor of a second global conflict, not Hitler. Prior to the economic crash of 1929, no one was interested in extreme politicians, right or left. Once that crash happened, then you have people listening to fundamental, utopian ideologies, looking for answers, scapegoats etc. These weren't just provided by the NSDAP, but also the German Communist Parties, who were the other large political force in the country at the time.
Removing Hitler from the game between 1914 and 1929 hands Germany over to Communism Stalin. And for all the memes, Stalin is just as much of a bastard as Hitler is. And Poland is still between Germany and the rest of the USSR.
The USSR invades Poland to create a united Bloc that stretches from Scandinavia, down the French border to the Alps, cuts off the Baltic states from the rest of Europe, across the Urals to the middle east. History follows, China, Korea, Vietnam becomes communist and the red border drops down and isolates India and Singapore, at the time British Empire assets but targeted also by the Japanese.
The UK still has to declare war onto the USSR in the same way it did the 3rd Reich and France still joins them for the same reasons (remember, western Europe are no friends of the Russians. They just had a common enemy in the Fascists).
Japan didn't launch the Pearl Harbour attack because of how things were going in Europe. They'd been doing land grabs for years prior, was already at war with China and the UK before 1941 and had been shooting up US Warships for a while already. Hitler declared war on the US as he sought an alliance with Japan, not the other way around.
And now you still have WWII, just maybe in the early 40 to mid 40s once the Red Army wasn't still reeling from Stalins purges. And now the Allies having got an enemy between 2 fronts, they've got 2 enemies on one side of the board. What are the British and French going to do against 20,000 brand new T-34s (the best tank in the world at the time) supported by several million infantry, whilst trying to hold onto assets in the Far East against the Japanese? Cry to the US? They've got their own problems in the shape of Mitusubishi Zeros and katana wielding zealots rampaging across their own holdings to be bothered about the Russians as well.

So if you want to avoid the second world war, several 'angry mustache guys' need to die first.
Not just the space race brought about new every day technologies but the world wars did too. For example , it's likely if ww2 didn't happen , Alan Turing would not have brought us the computer technologies that he worked on while trying to break the German enigma codes.
 

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Not just the space race brought about new every day technologies but the world wars did too. For example , it's likely if ww2 didn't happen , Alan Turing would not have brought us the computer technologies that he worked on while trying to break the German enigma codes.
Again, you're assuming because there is no war, that there is no research. You're going to try and say that Frank Whittle, Alan Turing, Werner Von Braun, Robert Goddard et al only got their works done because there was a war on.
Turing was going to create the computer regardless. It just so happened that it was being used initially to break Enigma cyphers, but the concept of a problem solving computer pre-dates the second world war.
Frank Whittle built the jet engine not because the Nazis were making one, but because decided that the piston engine would soon reach its limits and a new aero engine needed to be designed if aircraft were to exceed 500mph. He had this idea more than 10 years before the start of WWII.
Goddard wanted man to go to the moon. Same with Von Braun. Goddard was doing his work regardless of interest by the US military (infact if you read into it, he was widely ridiculed back in the 20s, including a hit piece on him in the New York Times [shock] in 1922 [that they didn't apologise for until July 21st 1969] and was almost self funding his research). For Von Braun, WWII was a side show to get his rockets off the ground. The V2 would've flown anyway. It just wouldn't have been called the V2 and would've flown a few years later.

Granted, they got a lot of funding and whatever which sped things because there was a war on, but to say that the Turing machine, or liquid fuelled rockets or the jet engine or vaccines etc only exist because of WWII is madness. It would've taken longer to implement, but it still would've happened.
 
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About the only thing would have stopped the WWs would have been if Bismarck’s League of 3 Emperors tying Germany, Russia and Austria-Hungary would have held, but ya know, Russian dreams of Mediterranean beachfront with a sunny, happy trade port...

These things just don’t hold, Germany was under a lot of pressure between France and Russia and politics being politics rather than good business it was a huge and ultimately futile effort to hold it all down, Bismarck and Wilhelm I gave way to Wilhelm II who dusted off his elders plan B and commenced to war and the greasy installation of Lenin
 

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Uh not really a category but in miscellanies or non-sfs you can make a post about it
Just for your information johnnybravo actually wanted to post advertisement about medicine, not just to talk about it. Too bad that he couldn't make the difference, he's been sent to Alpha Centauri aboard a Voyager probe :)
 

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Just for your information johnnybravo actually wanted to post advertisement about medicine, not just to talk about it. Too bad that he couldn't make the difference, he's been sent to Alpha Centauri aboard a Voyager probe :)
We’ll collect him when dawnbreak reaches Alpha Centauri
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Just for your information johnnybravo actually wanted to post advertisement about medicine, not just to talk about it. Too bad that he couldn't make the difference, he's been sent to Alpha Centauri aboard a Voyager probe :)
I'll get the next Explorer to probe what he is doin'
 
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Just for your information johnnybravo actually wanted to post advertisement about medicine, not just to talk about it. Too bad that he couldn't make the difference, he's been sent to Alpha Centauri aboard a Voyager probe :)
Ah too bad