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8BitCosmonaut · Feb 15, 2020

Hey Horus, I have found an amazing documentary from a war expert about how the vietnam war was related to the Middle East.

The damning evidence can be found in this video at the 4:05 mark.

Horus Lupercal · Mar 6, 2020

Here you are 8bitCosmonaut, a turbojet engine that might work for your RC plane...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Concorde...1-7ecd-4e88-bff4-f4b4aeeca9b4&redirect=mobile

Anyone got 3 quarters of a million pounds?

dezway · Mar 6, 2020

dude just build a jet engine yourself it's easy, even one of my friends has made a really big one

or at least he said he was working on it, idk last I heard from him he said something about the "FAA" being at his door, idk what that means

haven't heard from him in a while

4KidsOneCamera · Mar 6, 2020

dezway said:

Probably means the FAA doesn’t like him building his own home made propulsive device.

Pink · Mar 6, 2020

4KidsOneCamera said:

I don't think that the FAA cares about that....

Pink · Mar 6, 2020

Horus Lupercal said:

Doesn't say what the shipping is...
And stay away! "no returns accepted".

Horus Lupercal · Mar 6, 2020

Mooncrasher said:

It's collection only. It is a 5 ton set up

Horus Lupercal · Apr 19, 2020

When you're on the deck of an aircraft carrier, looking down at a heavy bomber going past.

Ignore the nose down attitude. That's just how B-52s flew.

Pink · Apr 19, 2020

Nose level: ascending
Nose-down: flying level
Nose-dive: descending

Horus Lupercal · Apr 19, 2020

Mooncrasher said:

Yeah, a small quirk Stratofortresses had thanks to the landing gear arrangement

Kirk_TGM · Apr 20, 2020

B-52? it's easy to destroy it.

by an AK

Horus Lupercal · Apr 20, 2020

Kirk_TGM said:

Yeah. I'm gonna need a source for that one bob.

Kirk_TGM · Apr 20, 2020

Horus Lupercal said:

the Vietnam War

Pink · Apr 20, 2020

The USAF lost 17 of the damn things in combat there, but they appear to have been due to SAMs and MIGs

Horus Lupercal · Apr 20, 2020

Kirk_TGM said:

Yes. Assume I know enough about air warfare to know what conflicts those dates those correspond to, even if the AK and the B-52 weren't enough of a steer.

I'm looking for your sources that farmers in rice fields where hitting and shooting down US heavy bombers, that operated at 18,000ft+ doing around 500mph, with nothing more than AK-47s.

As Mooncrasher says, SAMs and MiGs, absolutely. Especially on the HoChiMinh city run in, because politics wouldn't allow them to avoid enemy fire. But AKs? I am extremely sceptical.

Roger Jolly · Apr 20, 2020

Horus Lupercal said:

I don’t think it was the farmers in rice fields were shooting at us,
But ya, how many lucky shots would it take to bring down any bomber with an AK even if they could identify a critical point
And we only lost 17 because we flew a bazillion missions bombing farmers, gunna lose some but not to AKs

Kirk_TGM · Apr 20, 2020

Horus Lupercal said:

Roger Jolly said:

u guys know that i am from Vietnam, right?

Pink · Apr 20, 2020

Kirk_TGM said:

That's not a source.

Roger Jolly · Apr 20, 2020

Kirk_TGM said:

Well I don’t believe AKs ever took down a B52 anyway, though you did defeat our campaign of genocide...
The world thanks you, or at least it should

Horus Lupercal · Apr 20, 2020

Roger Jolly said:

I see you missed my point entirely. And yeah, a lot of the random ground fire were just 'irregulars' in fields taking shots at passing Skyraiders or whatever.
However. Even if they were army regulars who were crack shots, if they had lots of training in an air defence role and if they were equipped with large enough optics to identify specific areas of an aircraft from that distance, 7.62x39 is not going up 18 thousand feet. It'd have difficulty making 18,000ft of distance across the ground away from the shooter when fired at 45 degrees.
It doesn't matter how skilled, how lucky etc, physics says no.

And you want to know just how lucky they'd have to be to bring down an aircraft that was actually within range?

There's a nice little ditty from the Falklands War about when Argentine Air Force Skyhawks were doing low level bombing runs at Royal Navy ships sat at anchor in San Carlos Bay 21-25 May 1982. On the surrounding hillside was a battalion of newly disembarked Welsh Guards armed with 7.62x51 calibre weapons, FAL, GPMG etc.
Of course these men better trained and with better weapons, merrily opened fire, expending in excess of 15,000 rounds.

Want know how many aircraft they shot down?

Zero.

Want to know how many hits they scored?

Zero.

Kirk_TGM said:

I thought you were from Star Fleet?

Dude, i know you're from Vietnam. Unless you're commenting on the fact we're talking casually about fellow countrymen getting vapourised by 500lb'ers then remember it's not personal, in the same way as if we were talking about Tigers smashing Shermans it's not personal to our US members.

If it's you're an expert cos you're a local, that's about as true as someone who grew up in Florida being born knowing all about rockets. You still need research, sources etc.

Roger Jolly said:

That word you use. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Earl · Apr 20, 2020

Kirk_TGM said:

That's not a source dude. We need links to articles or actual proof. I'm pretty sure a small automatic rifle could shoot down a huge bomber at 15 thousand feet...

Kirk_TGM · Apr 20, 2020

https://vn.sputniknews.com/vietnam/...hau-ak-ha-guc-su-gia-chien-tranh-Tomahawk-my/

translate it yourself

Earl · Apr 20, 2020

Kirk_TGM said:

Sorry man, but I still don't believe it for a few reasons.

1. AK-47 and AKM is in too small of a caliber to seriously damage a heavy bomber like this
2. These things fly at like 500 mph, (Mach 0.9) meaning it would be really hard to hit it
3. They fly at like 16,000 ft (nearly 5 km) and the AK-47 has a range of about 400 m.

Even the most skilled marksman wouldn't be able to shoot one down like that, let alone poorly trained soldiers.

EDIT: about the AK-47 range thing. It can shoot accurately up to 400m but the bullet can travel up to 800m (still less than a quarter of the bomber's altitude.) If we look at the more modern counterpart the AKM, we will see it is still accurate to 400m but can travel 1000m. Still not enough.

Earl · Apr 20, 2020

Earl said:

Sorry man, but I still don't believe it for a few reasons.

1. AK-47 and AKM is in too small of a caliber to seriously damage a heavy bomber like this
2. These things fly at like 500 mph, (Mach 0.9) meaning it would be really hard to hit it
3. They fly at like 16,000 ft (nearly 5 km) and the AK-47 has a range of about 400 m.

Even the most skilled marksman wouldn't be able to shoot one down like that, let alone poorly trained soldiers.

EDIT: about the AK-47 range thing. It can shoot accurately up to 400m but the bullet can travel up to 800m (still less than a quarter of the bomber's altitude.) If we look at the more modern counterpart the AKM, we will see it is still accurate to 400m but can travel 1000m. Still not enough.

Sooo yeah, it's not just a statistical improbability, it's literally impossible.

Roger Jolly · Apr 20, 2020

Horus Lupercal said:

I see you missed my point entirely. And yeah, a lot of the random ground fire were just 'irregulars' in fields taking shots at passing Skyraiders or whatever.
However. Even if they were army regulars who were crack shots, if they had lots of training in an air defence role and if they were equipped with large enough optics to identify specific areas of an aircraft from that distance, 7.62x39 is not going up 18 thousand feet. It'd have difficulty making 18,000ft of distance across the ground away from the shooter when fired at 45 degrees.
It doesn't matter how skilled, how lucky etc, physics says no.

And you want to know just how lucky they'd have to be to bring down an aircraft that was actually within range?

There's a nice little ditty from the Falklands War about when Argentine Air Force Skyhawks were doing low level bombing runs at Royal Navy ships sat at anchor in San Carlos Bay 21-25 May 1982. On the surrounding hillside was a battalion of newly disembarked Welsh Guards armed with 7.62x51 calibre weapons, FAL, GPMG etc.
Of course these men better trained and with better weapons, merrily opened fire, expending in excess of 15,000 rounds.

Want know how many aircraft they shot down?

Zero.

Want to know how many hits they scored?

Zero.

I thought you were from Star Fleet?

Dude, i know you're from Vietnam. Unless you're commenting on the fact we're talking casually about fellow countrymen getting vapourised by 500lb'ers then remember it's not personal, in the same way as if we were talking about Tigers smashing Shermans it's not personal to our US members.

If it's you're an expert cos you're a local, that's about as true as someone who grew up in Florida being born knowing all about rockets. You still need research, sources etc.

That word you use. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I understood your point perfectly well, I just take great offense at blurring the lines between farmers and guerrillas

And for that matter I understand perfectly well what genocide is, we killed millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians with blanket bombs and overwhelming ground force for no reason but a failed attempt to install a government friendly to our empire;
There is nothing excusable about that mess and suggesting such a thing was nothing personal is ghastly, it was very personal

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