Did someone made a list of E V E R Y rocket?

[TtTOtW]

then imma ded...

Beg for mercy. Or else.

 

[Cresign]

AJ BEG FOR MERSI!

 

[Pink]

Why? Even the STS could maintain a TWR of 3 during ascent, especially during the 5 ish minute burn after the SRBs come away. And that section is considered the smooth part of riding the shuttle.

Bear in mind when you say TWR 2 is insane, that the TWR would be much higher than 2 just before the first stage cut out and the second stage fires.

2 gees is not gonna kill your crew. STS was rated to 3.3g. I'm pretty sure Saturn V kept it below 4g by shutting down the centre F-1 during S-1 burn. Gemini was apparently even more brutal during a lift. NASCAR car drivers regularly exceed 3g for several hours on the banked turns. Most decent fighter aircraft are rated to 9-10g. The human body in that orientation of facing upwards (with the blood moving backwards across the body) as they do in rockets can resist double the g forces they would be able to as if the forces were pushing the blood down like during aircraft maneuvers.

A TWR of 2 is much better than a negative TWR for efficiency. You're not accelerating until your TWR clears 1. Everything under that is doing little more than just minimising gravity losses. A TWR of 0.75 is the equivalent of everytime you take 4 steps forwards, you take one step back

I was never thinking of gee-forces, just the dV cut that comes with the dry mass of an engine that's as big again or more than the dry mass of the entire stage.


I've done my best to reverse engineer the mass of the second and third stages above, and I plonked on a 4 tonne payload.


Total dV: approx 2400 m/s if I recreated it correctly.


Total dV after engine swap: 2950 m/s, or 23% more. That's a lot of increase for a rocket...

So my question is, why use those god-awful looking Valients on a tiny replica, instead of the nicer looking Kolibri and gain extra performance while you're at it?

 

[Cresign]

I was never thinking of gee-forces, just the dV cut that comes with the dry mass of an engine that's as big again or more than the dry mass of the entire stage.

View attachment 47023
I've done my best to reverse engineer the mass of the second and third stages above, and I plonked on a 4 tonne payload.

View attachment 47025
Total dV: approx 2400 m/s if I recreated it correctly.

View attachment 47024
Total dV after engine swap: 2950 m/s, or 23% more. That's a lot of increase for a rocket...

So my question is, why use those god-awful looking Valients on a tiny replica, instead of the nicer looking Kolibri and gain extra performance while you're at it?

Mmmmm... Ok

 

[Cresign]

I tested it and its soooooooo slow so imma back to valiant

 

[Pink]

Can I have the bp to try out that rocket?

 

[TtTOtW]

I tested it and its soooooooo slow so imma back to valiant

And THAT is your downfall.

 

[Cresign]

Can I have the bp to try out that rocket?

You are lucky that i gave this rocket to Marmilo
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PhvWuB13gt7AKnzqdXCVY7-x0Es6lNJD/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[Pink]

Edit: works now
And seems that link was for the Vanguard, may I have the Minotaur 1 please?

 

[Cresign]

Hmm, document expired, can't download.
And seems that link was for the Vanguard, may I have the Minotaur 1 please?

I will give you all
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R1sa3pnW1u2p_5_73dysrAmcaKxTfTWI/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[Pink]

Very generous

 

[Pink]

I just tested the Vanguard with different engines.
First: the actual rocket looks great, be proud of it.

Second, when the first stage (equipped with 1 Valiant and 2 Kolibri engines, easy to activate, TWR 1.39) ran out, the rocket was almost in orbit, only 70 m/s more required from the second stage.





It flies like a racecar with the Kolibri, very zippy.
Lots of fuel left, to the moon maybe?

 

[Horus Lupercal]

I was never thinking of gee-forces

I dunno, your posts seem very thrust orientated to me...

Second stage with TWR of 2 is....

as long as the TWR is 0.5 - 1 it's fine

Your advice would be better aimed at educating him / others on balancing engine base dry mass/TWR and specific impulse to increase efficiency and then going over the why by showing how via rocket equation comparisons

 

[Cresign]

I just tested the Vanguard with different engines.
First: the actual rocket looks great, be proud of it.
View attachment 47027
Second, when the first stage (equipped with 1 Valiant and 2 Kolibri engines, easy to activate, TWR 1.39) ran out, the rocket was almost in orbit, only 70 m/s more required from the second stage.

View attachment 47028


View attachment 47030 View attachment 47029
It flies like a racecar with the Kolibri, very zippy.
Lots of fuel left, to the moon maybe?

Yeah i flew Lambda to Mars and Juno I to moon and ,,back" im pretty good at flying big fireworks

 

[Pink]

Yeah i flew Lambda to Mars and Juno I to moon and ,,back" im pretty good at flying big fireworks

It's not a coincidence that the Lambda and Juno I you made have small engines for their size.

 

[Cresign]

It's not a coincidence that the Lambda and Juno I you made have small engines for their size.

your in fault

 

[Cresign]

Ok a couple of new rockets are added to a list:

ASLV
Atlas I
Atlas II
Atlas-Able
Blue Scout II
Conestoga-1620
Feng Bao 1
H-I
Hyperbola-1
Jielong-1
Kaituozhe 1
KSLV
LaucherOne
Long March 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 2C, 2F, 3A, 3C, 4A, 4B
Mu-3
Mu-4
N-II
NOTS-EV-1 Pilot II?
OS-M1
Poliot
Qased
R-36 ORB
Redstone Sparta
Rocket 3
Scout B, D, F, G, X
Shtic'
SS-520
Start
Taepodong-1
VLS
Volna
Zhuque-1

 

[Cresign]

T H I C C S T I C C

 

[Edspace Agency]

Do you give some bPS?

 

[Cresign]

Do you give some bPS?

Above you have link to some of my other rockets (mostly small ones) also saying that these rockets are only mine is unfair cause Marmilo helped me alot with them

 

[TtTOtW]

Shtic'

I've never heard of a more Jewish sounding rocket.

 

[Cresign]

NOTS-EV-1 Pilot II?

Actually its NOTS-EV-1

 

[Cresign]

Now rockets will be created in alphabetic order so these are rockets that will be created first:

Angara A5
Ariane I
Ariane II
Ariane III
Ariane IV
Ariane V
ASLV
Atlas I
Atlas II
Atlas IV
Atlas-Able
Atlas-Agena
Atlas LV-38
Atlas SM-65
Atlas V

 

[Marmilo]

Now rockets will be created in alphabetic order so these are rockets that will be created first:

Angara A5
Ariane I
Ariane II
Ariane III
Ariane IV
Ariane V
ASLV
Atlas I
Atlas II
Atlas IV
Atlas-Able
Atlas-Agena
Atlas LV-38
Atlas SM-65
Atlas V

I will have some heads up on the ariane and atlas family as I've already replicated them 1:1.

 

[Cresign]

I will have some heads up on the ariane and atlas family as I've already replicated them 1:1.

Ehh i want to make them myself